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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/08/26/movies-and-chastity/comment-page-1/#comment-32633</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;JM said:&quot;However, The more sexual content in a movie or tv show, the more the natural man inside me wishes he could participate.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My one and only question when I read this was...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...have you seen Brokeback Mountain? =P&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM said:&#8221;However, The more sexual content in a movie or tv show, the more the natural man inside me wishes he could participate.&#8221;</p>
<p>My one and only question when I read this was&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;have you seen Brokeback Mountain? =P</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/08/26/movies-and-chastity/comment-page-1/#comment-32630</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You never started fighting with your siblings after watching a Kung Fu movie, JM? I know my brothers and I did.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You never started fighting with your siblings after watching a Kung Fu movie, JM? I know my brothers and I did.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/08/26/movies-and-chastity/comment-page-1/#comment-32627</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;re: Jeff in #15&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know about that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Watching violence in a movie or tv doesn&#039;t make me wish I was in the middle of it or participating in any way.  It doesn&#039;t give me the urge to go out and start killing random people on the street.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, The more sexual content in a movie or tv show, the more the natural man inside me wishes he could participate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think if you are evaluating it from that standpoint, one could argue that that the PG-13, sexually charged show is &quot;Worse&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Who knows, there may be people out there that get the same arrousal from violence.  I&#039;d specualte they are in the minority.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Jeff in #15</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about that.</p>
<p>Watching violence in a movie or tv doesn&#8217;t make me wish I was in the middle of it or participating in any way.  It doesn&#8217;t give me the urge to go out and start killing random people on the street.</p>
<p>However, The more sexual content in a movie or tv show, the more the natural man inside me wishes he could participate.</p>
<p>I think if you are evaluating it from that standpoint, one could argue that that the PG-13, sexually charged show is &#8220;Worse&#8221;.</p>
<p>Who knows, there may be people out there that get the same arrousal from violence.  I&#8217;d specualte they are in the minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/08/26/movies-and-chastity/comment-page-1/#comment-32592</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There wasn&#039;t a whole lot of time for the lesson. Check with Curt. He may have received feedback afterwards. No one outwardly disagreed with anything I said.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There wasn&#8217;t a whole lot of time for the lesson. Check with Curt. He may have received feedback afterwards. No one outwardly disagreed with anything I said.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so back to your original comment Kim... how did your comments in EQ go over?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so back to your original comment Kim&#8230; how did your comments in EQ go over?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Milner</title>
		<link>http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/08/26/movies-and-chastity/comment-page-1/#comment-32588</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Milner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/08/26/movies-and-chastity/#comment-32531&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jamie Trwth&#039;s Comment&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have you really thought about what you are saying? As I understand your comment, you are saying you feel watching R rated violent movies is more ethical than PG-13 movies that portray morally questionable characters or sexual content.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure the real impact of either such movie, (and by way of disclosure I&#039;ve watched plenty of both varieties) but I think there is something to be said for rating graphic violence as &quot;worse for you&quot; than sexual/morally questionable content.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/08/26/movies-and-chastity/#comment-32531">Jamie Trwth&#8217;s Comment</a>.</p>
<p>Have you really thought about what you are saying? As I understand your comment, you are saying you feel watching R rated violent movies is more ethical than PG-13 movies that portray morally questionable characters or sexual content.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure the real impact of either such movie, (and by way of disclosure I&#8217;ve watched plenty of both varieties) but I think there is something to be said for rating graphic violence as &#8220;worse for you&#8221; than sexual/morally questionable content.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That wasn&#039;t the point, en. I wasn&#039;t advocating withdrawing support from Hollywood. I was suggesting that those who watch CleanFlicks films are bing hypocritical. By buying edited movies, they are fundamentally still buying the original content. Whether the support is negligible or not is not the point.&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;You’ve yet to explain how that differs from a movie critic (who could be your brother or friend at work) viewing the same movie and providing to you insights as to its content.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Actually, I did provide at least one reason. See #8. But here&#039;s one more reason. There&#039;s a difference between using the information from a review to avoid watching a film at all, and another thing to directly pay someone to watch the content for you, so you can watch part of the film while avoiding the content you just paid the person to watch and delete.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wasn&#8217;t the point, en. I wasn&#8217;t advocating withdrawing support from Hollywood. I was suggesting that those who watch CleanFlicks films are bing hypocritical. By buying edited movies, they are fundamentally still buying the original content. Whether the support is negligible or not is not the point.</p>
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<p>You’ve yet to explain how that differs from a movie critic (who could be your brother or friend at work) viewing the same movie and providing to you insights as to its content.</p>
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<p>Actually, I did provide at least one reason. See #8. But here&#8217;s one more reason. There&#8217;s a difference between using the information from a review to avoid watching a film at all, and another thing to directly pay someone to watch the content for you, so you can watch part of the film while avoiding the content you just paid the person to watch and delete.</p>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think the issue is one of effecting change in the entertainment industry, but of keeping our lives in accord with the commandments of god. By paying for objectionable media, editied or not, we become willing participants in its creation. The only way to avoid becoming a party to this evil, is to avoid these movies all together. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Imagine someone standing before god at the final judgment, they are asked to explain their viewing of certain films. They reply, &quot;Oh, but I didn&#039;t watch that part.&quot; It seems a little ridiculous to me.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the issue is one of effecting change in the entertainment industry, but of keeping our lives in accord with the commandments of god. By paying for objectionable media, editied or not, we become willing participants in its creation. The only way to avoid becoming a party to this evil, is to avoid these movies all together. </p>
<p>Imagine someone standing before god at the final judgment, they are asked to explain their viewing of certain films. They reply, &#8220;Oh, but I didn&#8217;t watch that part.&#8221; It seems a little ridiculous to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Siever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well be that as it may, there is something wrong with editing an original movie to appease some sense of superior moral belief. Just don&#039;t watch the movie rather than allow someone to ruin someone&#039;s artistic license. And again you don&#039;t address the real issue.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well be that as it may, there is something wrong with editing an original movie to appease some sense of superior moral belief. Just don&#8217;t watch the movie rather than allow someone to ruin someone&#8217;s artistic license. And again you don&#8217;t address the real issue.</p>
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		<title>By: endlessnegotiation</title>
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		<dc:creator>endlessnegotiation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mary:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Re #5, not all the companies that sanitize movies are violating copyright.  ClearPlay uses a different technology to edit movies that does not violate copyright protection.  CleanFlix just happens to be the example Kim chose to use while I used a more generic term to refer to the entire industry.  Please educate yourself before slinging unsubstantiated accusations about what I&#039;m advocating.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Kim:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your argument about &quot;financially supporting Hollywood&quot; is about as legitimate as arguments against uninating in the ocean.  They might sound well and good but really don&#039;t make a difference in other people&#039;s behavior or the overall environment.  I&#039;ve working on the decision side (finance) of the entertainment industry so I have experience in how decisions are made there.  Movies are made with a particular target-audience already in mind.  Those on the fringes of that audience are not factored into the equation when a decision on any particular production are made because hitting the desired target already carries high risk (we used discount factors in the 30-50% range).  Suppose you want to make a movie targeted specifically at Mormons and you know that if you hit your target you will make money with a particular project.  Why would you risk alienating your primary target by including content intended to appeal to evangelicals or Jews or Catholics or excluding content that may offend those same groups but appeal to Mormons?  You wouldn&#039;t do that so you stick with your Mormon target and if some evangelicals, Jews, or Catholics see the movie as well then that&#039;s just gravy.  What the movie sanitizing industry does is remove the objectionable material and makes the movie more palatable for a very small, incremental number of consumers.  Our goal should be to reduce the size of the target market so the movies never get made which is not accomplished through our own individual purchasing decisions.  We reduce the size of the target market through converting others to our value system.  So why condemn the likes of CleanFlix or those that patronize them?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In addition, your first argument against CleanFlix is not financial but rather a moral hazard objection about requiring a CleanFlix editor to view objectionable content so that you don&#039;t have to do so.  You&#039;ve yet to explain how that differs from a movie critic (who could be your brother or friend at work) viewing the same movie and providing to you insights as to its content.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary:</p>
<p>Re #5, not all the companies that sanitize movies are violating copyright.  ClearPlay uses a different technology to edit movies that does not violate copyright protection.  CleanFlix just happens to be the example Kim chose to use while I used a more generic term to refer to the entire industry.  Please educate yourself before slinging unsubstantiated accusations about what I&#8217;m advocating.</p>
<p>Kim:</p>
<p>Your argument about &#8220;financially supporting Hollywood&#8221; is about as legitimate as arguments against uninating in the ocean.  They might sound well and good but really don&#8217;t make a difference in other people&#8217;s behavior or the overall environment.  I&#8217;ve working on the decision side (finance) of the entertainment industry so I have experience in how decisions are made there.  Movies are made with a particular target-audience already in mind.  Those on the fringes of that audience are not factored into the equation when a decision on any particular production are made because hitting the desired target already carries high risk (we used discount factors in the 30-50% range).  Suppose you want to make a movie targeted specifically at Mormons and you know that if you hit your target you will make money with a particular project.  Why would you risk alienating your primary target by including content intended to appeal to evangelicals or Jews or Catholics or excluding content that may offend those same groups but appeal to Mormons?  You wouldn&#8217;t do that so you stick with your Mormon target and if some evangelicals, Jews, or Catholics see the movie as well then that&#8217;s just gravy.  What the movie sanitizing industry does is remove the objectionable material and makes the movie more palatable for a very small, incremental number of consumers.  Our goal should be to reduce the size of the target market so the movies never get made which is not accomplished through our own individual purchasing decisions.  We reduce the size of the target market through converting others to our value system.  So why condemn the likes of CleanFlix or those that patronize them?</p>
<p>In addition, your first argument against CleanFlix is not financial but rather a moral hazard objection about requiring a CleanFlix editor to view objectionable content so that you don&#8217;t have to do so.  You&#8217;ve yet to explain how that differs from a movie critic (who could be your brother or friend at work) viewing the same movie and providing to you insights as to its content.</p>
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