Deacons as sources of scripture

During Supper Scripture Study today, we were discussing D&C 68:1-4.

My servant, Orson Hyde, was called by his ordination to proclaim the everlasting gospel, by the Spirit of the living God, from people to people, and from land to land, in the congregations of the wicked, in their synagogues, reasoning with and expounding all scriptures unto them. And, behold, and lo, this is an ensample unto all those who were ordained unto this priesthood, whose mission is appointed unto them to go forth?¢‚Ǩ‚Äùand this is the ensample unto them, that they shall speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost. And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation.

Does that mean if a deacon feels the Spirit while giving a talk in Sacrament Meeting, that his words can be considered scripture?

No to caffeine, coffee and tea

I run a Word of Wisdom Commentary website, and as a result I occasionally receive emails with questions regarding the Word of Wisdom.

A common theme in these emails is caffeine, and specifically President Hinckley’s mention of caffeine in a 1998 interview on Larry King Live. In it, this discussion ensued:

Gordon B. Hinckley: The word of wisdom covers many things. It covers the excessive use of meat, as I see it. It covers, in a very particular way, the use of tobacco and alcohol.

Larry King: By saying no?

Gordon B. Hinckley: By saying, by proscribing those things.

Larry King: No to caffeine?

Gordon B. Hinckley: No to caffeine, coffee and tea.

Proponents of the word of wisdom including caffeine use this as proof that it is church policy that we not partake of caffeine. All arguments aside of using a television show in a single country to introduce new policy, there is one thing to consider when reading this transcript.


You see, when President Hinckley spoke, he did not indicate what punctuation he was using. As a result, all punctuation found in the transcript was introduced by CNN staff. Let’s look at the last statement of that quote with CNN’s punctuation:

No to caffeine, coffee and tea

See, this makes it seem like President Hinckley is listing off things we’re not supposed to consume. In other words, we proscribe caffeine, we proscribe coffee, and we proscribe tea.

Consider alternate punctuation.

No to caffeine: coffee and tea

In this case, President Hinckley is saying coffee and tea to quantify or clarify what he meant when he said caffeine.

Unfortunately, we don’t know what punctuation President Hinckley meant, so we have to make an assumption. Personally, I think the latter example makes a lot more sense.

“Holy men of God spake…”

A common idea I have seen expressed in and out of the church is that of the infallibility of the prophets. More specific is the idea that whatever the prophets say can be construed as doctrine if not just authoritative. This belief of course has led to all sorts of traditions and anomalistic doctrines. Things like the Adam-God theory, all indigenous Americans being descended from Lehi, etc.

I came across an interesting scripture last night in 2 Peter 1:20-21.

No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

It seems even in the New Testament that prophets need to be moved by the Holy Ghost for their words to be prophetic.

I guess the challenge then is determining when they are moved by the Spirit.

Great Greater Greatest

I was on another person’s blog and they had this test to see if people out there that lurk while they read your posts, can help see if they are related to you and perhaps you are able to find some lost ancestor. I hope I get TONS of replies to this. Come on.. it’s easy!! You do great, great great and great great great grandparents

* Jean-Baptiste Cloutier
* Sarah Pronovost
* David Beauvais
* Maximia Gibeault
* Napoleon Arthur Joseph Prive
* Josephine Langlois
* Jean Provencal
* Louise Lallier

GG Grandparents

* Uldoric Cloutier
* Philomene Trottier
* Joseph Pronovost
* Adelaide Despiens
* Jean-Baptiste Beauvais
* Hermine Demeres
* Casimir Gibeault
* Arthemise Robert
* Jean-Baptise Provencal
* Ester MacDonald
* Louis Lallier
* Lumina Lafontaine
* Francois Xavier Prive
* Dorothee Chicoine
* Alfred Langlois
* Marie Louise Cloure

GGG Grandparents

* Louis Cloutier
* Sophie Frigon
* Jean Trottier
* Joseph St. Arnaud
* Francois Pronovost
* Marie Anne Veilet
* Louis Lefebvre
* Adele Brassard
* Camille Beauvais
* Adelaide Morotte
* Jacques Demers
* Zoe Pinsonneault
* Antoine Robert
* Elenore Jolinet
* Jean Provencal
* Angelique Emond
* James MacDonald
* Marceline Mary Lettre
* Israel Lallier
* Margarit Baril
* Oliver Lafontaine
* Euphrosine Poirier
* Joseph Prive
* Catherine Meunier
* Pierre Rene Chicoine
* Julie Dansereau
* Henri Langlois
* Henriette Chagnon
* John Cloure
* Mary Cloure

The cost of getting married

I was reading an article in Unlimited, a new Canadian business magazine aimed at young people. The article was about a young, engaged businesswoman who was in the business of buying a wedding dress. She claims the average wedding in Canada costs $25,800.

That seemed a little high to me. But then our wedding cost hardly anything in comparison. I thought I’d post our experience here, so others out the might realize that they don’t have to go into debt to get married. After all, we had enough debt already coming into our marriage. The last thing we needed was to grow it exponentially.

* Mary’s wedding ring: free (from her aunt’s first marriage)
* My wedding ring: $50 at the pawn shop (Mary’s pocket)
* My tux: $120 (my pocket)
* Mary’s dress: $300 for material (paid by Mary’s uncle, sewn by Mary’s aunt)
* Location: free (at the church/temple)
* Officiator: free (provided by the temple)
* Food: uncatered (made by Mary and her mum; paid for by both sets of parents)
* Cake: free (made and donated by Mary’s aunt)
* Decorations: free (donated by a friend of Mary’s family)
* Music: free (donated by friend of Mary’s family)
* Invitations: printed by Mary’s dad on his computer
* Photography: free (donated by a friend)

Having 300 people show up helped make it a success. So did having part of the local band “Zero Avenue” play for us.