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		<title>President Hinckley was Canadian</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, his great-grandmother was. That&#8217;s one of the things I took from his funeral. Technically, it wasn&#8217;t Canada yet, but close enough. Mormons like to point out famous Mormons, and Canadians like to point out famous Canadians. I&#8217;m both, so &#8230; <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2008/02/04/president-hinckley-was-canadian/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, his great-grandmother was. That&#8217;s one of the things I took from his funeral.</p>
<p>Technically, it wasn&#8217;t Canada yet, but close enough. Mormons like to point out famous Mormons, and Canadians like to point out famous Canadians. I&#8217;m both, so I can&#8217;t help it and take what I can get.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;Holy men of God spake&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A common idea I have seen expressed in and out of the church is that of the infallibility of the prophets. More specific is the idea that whatever the prophets say can be construed as doctrine if not just authoritative. &#8230; <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2008/01/29/holy-men-of-god-spake/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common idea I have seen expressed in and out of the church is that of the infallibility of the prophets. More specific is the idea that whatever the prophets say can be construed as doctrine if not just authoritative. This belief of course has led to all sorts of traditions and anomalistic doctrines. Things like the Adam-God theory, all indigenous Americans being descended from Lehi, etc.</p>
<p>I came across an interesting scripture last night in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_pet/1/20-21#20" title="LDS Scriptures Internet Edition: 2 Peter 1:20&ndash;21">2 Peter 1:20&ndash;21</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. </p></blockquote>
<p>It seems even in the New Testament that prophets need to be moved by the Holy Ghost for their words to be prophetic.</p>
<p>I guess the challenge then is determining when they are moved by the Spirit.</p>
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		<title>Knighting an Apostle</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My Sister just sent this to me&#8230; Most funny! (Apologies if this has already been mentioned) &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; ?Ç¬†After President Hinckley finished with the sustaining of the officers ?Ç¬†of the church during the Saturday morning session, Elder Eyring had ?Ç¬†moved into &#8230; <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/10/17/knighting-an-apostle/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Sister just sent this to me&#8230; Most funny! (Apologies if this has already been mentioned)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>?Ç¬†After President Hinckley finished with the sustaining of the officers<br />
?Ç¬†of the church during the Saturday morning session, Elder Eyring had<br />
?Ç¬†moved into his new seat on the stand. Unfortunately, they didn&#8217;t show<br />
?Ç¬†this on TV, but when President Hinckley turned around, he stood there<br />
?Ç¬†for a moment looking at Elder Eyring (probably with the little twinkle<br />
?Ç¬†in his eye), then picked up his cane and &#8220;knighted&#8221; him on his<br />
?Ç¬†shoulder and head. Truly one of the funniest things I&#8217;ve ever seen<br />
?Ç¬†him do.</p>
<p>?Ç¬†Here&#8217;s the picture from it. I love how Elder Erying looks just like a<br />
?Ç¬†little boy&#8230;.<br />
?Ç¬†<br />
<a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/4668085.jpg"><font size="1" face="Verdana">http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/4668085.jpg</font></a>?Ç¬†</p>
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		<title>Prophesying Calamities</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was contemplating something while sitting in church today. I have hear people say that you can tell we are in the last days because God is send all the calamities. You know, earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, drought, disease, and the &#8230; <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/09/30/prophesying-calamities/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was contemplating something while sitting in church today. I have hear people say that you can tell we are in the last days because God is send all the calamities. You know, earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, drought, disease, and the like. One only need look at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_theories_regarding_Hurricane_Katrina#Assertions_of_supernatural_causation">Wikipedia</a> to see that people believe God sends/causes natural disasters.</p>
<p>What I was contemplating, however, was whether God specifically causes all the calamities prophesied of in the Bible.</p>
<p>On the one hand, one could say that the prophets foretold of the calamities and God is sending them forth now to fulfil the promises of the prophets.</p>
<p>On the other hand, perhaps our day is an unusual time in the history of humankind (call it global warming if you must), in which we see an abundance of calamities. In that case, maybe the prophets saw the frequency of calamities and prophesied regarding them. Maybe God isn&#8217;t sending any of them. Maybe the prophets saw when the second coming of Christ was and noticed it coincided with this unusual amount of calamities, and simply used this period as a benchmark.</p>
<p>And maybe then God isn&#8217;t behind any of these calamities. Maybe it&#8217;s just the earth responding to whatever environmental changes there are.</p>
<p>It seems odd to me anyhow that God would send calamities just so the prophets wouldn&#8217;t be wrong.</p>
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		<title>Desirous to see, hear, and know these things</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While studying the scriptures tonight, I came across a verse that seemed pretty timely. It&#8217;s 1 Ne 10:17 and in it Nephi discusses some thoughts he had following his father sharing the dream of the Tree of Life. [After] I, &#8230; <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/01/desirous-to-see-hear-and-know-these-things/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While studying the scriptures tonight, I came across a verse that seemed pretty timely. It&#8217;s <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/10/17#17" title="LDS Scriptures Internet Edition: 1 Ne 10:17">1 Ne 10:17</a> and in it Nephi discusses some thoughts he had following his father sharing the dream of the Tree of Life.</p>
<blockquote><p>[After] I, Nephi, having heard all the words of my father, concerning the things which he saw in a vision, and also the things which he spake by the power of the Holy Ghost . . . [I] was desirous also that I might see, and hear, and know of these things, by the power of the Holy Ghost</p></blockquote>
<p>As I sat thinking about this, the recent general conference came to mind. I was left wondering how often ?¢‚Ç¨‚Äù after hearing words from the prophets ?¢‚Ç¨‚Äù I desire to see/hear and know by the Spirit the things they taught.</p>
<p>I was left wondering how often, following general conference, I read, ponder, and pray about the words of the prophets.</p>
<p>Probably not often enough.</p>
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		<title>Remove the prophet</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the October 1890 general conference, Wilford Woodruff stated the following: The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is &#8230; <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/07/remove-the-prophet/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the October 1890 general conference, Wilford Woodruff stated the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place</p></blockquote>
<p>My question to the readers is how will the Lord remove the prophet from his place? How do we know this will happen?</p>
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		<title>Does God Want to Punish People?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Alma 14, many women and children were killed because their husbands and fathers believed the words of Alma and Amulek and converted. They were actually thrown into a fire. Amulek was astounded at this and wanted to use the &#8230; <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/22/does-god-want-to-punish-people/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/14" title="LDS Scriptures Internet Edition: Alma 14">Alma 14</a>, many women and children were killed because their husbands and fathers believed the words of Alma and Amulek and converted. They were actually thrown into a fire. Amulek was astounded at this and wanted to use the priesthood to stop them (perhaps by some miracle):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.&#8221; (verse 10)</p></blockquote>
<p>Alma said that he felt inspired not to intervene because they are automatically saved for their belief in God.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.&#8221; (verse 11)</p></blockquote>
<p>The last part of verse 11 was interesting. Another reason Alma gave for not intervening is that &#8220;the Lord . . . doth suffer that . . . the people [presumable the ones doing the killing] may do this thing unto them . . . that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just&#8221;.</p>
<p>So he&#8217;s not going to intervene in order that God could punish (exercise judgement upon) them? If Alma and Amulek had intervened and no one was killed, God wouldn&#8217;t have needed to punish them. Wouldn&#8217;t that have been better all around?</p>
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		<title>Amulek, the Prophet</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 01:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While reading in the Book of Mormon last night, I came across this passage: [The] word came to Alma, saying: Go; and also say unto my servant Amulek, go forth and prophesy unto this people (Alma 8:29) Does this mean &#8230; <a href="http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/28/amulek-the-prophet/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While reading in the Book of Mormon last night, I came across this passage:</p>
<blockquote><p>[The] word came to Alma, saying: Go; and also say unto my servant Amulek, go forth and prophesy unto this people (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/8/29#29" title="LDS Scriptures Internet Edition: Alma 8:29">Alma 8:29</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this mean Amulek was a prophet? I have only ever heard of him being referred to as a missionary companion to Alma the Younger.</p>
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