It really doesn’t matter how I define it, though. See #15

If you really think conversing with me is pointless, then I wonder why you keep doing it.

When the prophet used the word it was distinctly possessive, whereas when I say,”I have herpes.” it clearly does not connote ownership but rather something along the line of “is possessed with the quality of”; which is more along the lines of ‘having’ a wife.

It really doesn’t matter how I define it, though.
See #15

I can’t speak for Rick, but, when you say that “he’s just as likely as I am to refer to other people as things he ‘has’”, you really don’t know Rick yet at all, even after your blogging relationship.

Perhaps you’re not understanding me: Rick is as likely as anyone to say he “has” a wife, or he “has” a child. You also said it yourself, above. That’s language of possession. But rick condemned me in comment #13 for “talking about things you ‘have’ as opposed to things you cherish or appreciate in and of themselves.” Yet he does the same thing, and so do you.

That is the beauty of individualism. We all have different opinions, that doesn’t mean that one is personally attacking another if they don’t agree. It would be a rather boring blog if everyone had the same thoughts.

I quite enjoy hearing other peoples veiws, even though they are sometimes very different than mine.

I can’t speak for Rick, but, when you say that “he’s just as likely as I am to refer to other people as things he ‘has'”, you really don’t know Rick yet at all, even after your blogging relationship.

He isn’t just saying this stuff to get people going,(even though he does enjoy a good debate) he really believes it. He would never refer to a person as an object that he owns..not me or our children.

It isn’t about making Pres. Hinckley look bad, or how he meant to use a word. It is about how he interpreted the use of the word, and I am sure that there are other politically correct people out there who feel the same way.

Sometimes there are people who take what is said, by whatever leader, and follow like zombies without thinking about how it may sound to the rest of the world. I think that is what Rick was trying to get across, is that everyone needs to open up, and see it from all sides.

When you are in a position of authority, in any religion, you need to be careful how you word things.

Of course people in the church are going to see it one way, a genuine comment (that will be repeated to husbands multiple times I’m sure)… but is the rest of the world????

President Hinckley’s use of the word “possession” didn’t mean anything more than that. It simply doesn’t make sense to interpret that one word as going against everything he has consistently preached for decades. about our attitude toward, and treatment of, women. You already know that President Hinckley doesn’t think of women as mere chattels. I rather think rick does, too. But he’s determined to make President Hinckley and offender for a word.

But…I am not his “possesion”, he, nor anyone else owns me.